http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_links.html

Here is a good link to get the discussion started

http://www.builditsolar.com/Experimental/experimental.htm#PEXCol

excellent site

http://homepower.com/home/
good source for gorilla power

most of these links are for do it yourself projects
I think you will find the information to be invaluable

www.otherpower.com/otherpower_links.html

I see how to add links now

www.builditsolar.com/Experimental/experimental.htm#PEXCol

Can anyone point me in the right direction in regards to cheap solar power devices?  I know solar is expensive either way, but I want to find the cheapest way to buy, but good quality, preferably  somewhere that some of you have had experience with and already know it is good quality.  Also, how feasible is it to make your own solar devices?  Would it be a better value, and how difficult is it?

if you go through the links ben
you will find everything you need

www.solar-electric.com/index.html

this has been one of my favorites

The best thing to build for energy is a windmill, can provide electricty, be used for cutting wood, or grinding flours for breads, waterwheel also works but harder to implement if you have no water nearby.

Solar power is very novel idea, but actually wastes energy, if your panels break your boned and the maintenance is constant, with a windmill if a panel tears its easily repaired, waterwheels are also easy to repair just basic knowledge of woodworking. Wind turbine can also be good, but the turbine also bleed energy to operate like solar, and you need a very technical understanding of it.

For those who are really tech savvy, build a magnetic generator, they run indefinetly and can be set up completely off the grid. In europe, they are building a large magnetic generator which essential creates energy from magnets and the force of gravity by using kenetic force to continuously spin several massive magnets around a copper core. There was a company in the early 80's in the US that designed the first one, essential free energy and the US government shut it down, there was alot of conspiracy regarding the pentagon and magnet energy.

From what I've been learning lately, it looks far more likely to me that they didn't shut it down - they wanted it exclusively for themselves and have been using it all along in their secret govt. programs. Meanwhile, we've been destroying the planet and bankrupting ourselves with fossil fuels.

they use a lot of this type technology for themselves, and it never goes to help the masses.

its a shame because magnetic energy production is a such a small unit to power a home, and one unit about 1 meter tall and 40cm wide could power a house completely, and its free power and needs only the force of gravity to power it indefinitely.

no money in that
there money illusion would collapse if people could create free power.

well free power means creating a whole new market, one that is cheaper and that scares them, but i think destroying the markets and starting anew given the level of technology we pocess and ptb are hiding would be beneficial, even from a greedy stand point... it means less starvation which means more jobs, which means more income to buy things... its the difference between a burnt out market and a market that fresh and new.... only our imaginations would be our limit, if power were free

Panasonic testing a 200 kw Li Ion Battery to hit the market on 2011
http://green.venturebeat.com/2009/12/24/panasonics-new-home-battery-could-store-a-weeks-worth-of-electricity/

Lithium Ion Vs. Lead Acid
http://www.valence.com/products/battery_modules

Has anyone in this forum ever investigated this product ... i am fascinated by this concept and can see how it could feasibly work.

- - generates 24 kw of power a day / produces 5x+ more power than it consumes - estimated at $5000 a unit if it makes its way to the public ( i think they sold the company to the Chinese )-- or possibly build one yourself for much cheaper.

Here are some links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ecCiq6Zt0Y

http://www.rexresearch.com/christie/christie.htm

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Lutec1000/

http://www.lutec.com.au/

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/free%20energy%202.html

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Lutec

Generating Kw/h is what everyone wants to be able to do, thats the true test to rebuilding. So far the only way to generate Kw is to use a gas generator or hydro-electric that a person can build or buy... if anyone has an ideas on hydro-electric i'd be very interested in hearing it. Wind, solar, magnetic as quiet as they are are great backup power supplies but the amount needed is quite heavy in order to keep society functioning and rebuilding.