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David Abraham said: These action have triggered this state of mind in myself, I have asked myself many times, are these people here to help or here to create their own little PTB, with their rules, their motives? Cults are formed all the time and this is turning into one of them, slowly but surely, and the dangerous members who can't be brainwashed are driven out, or else a sense of a new freeforall world would be possible, yet it seems another objective is in play, could it be money?I want proof people of all communities, show us pictures of your sites, with you in them, your supplies, your bunkers or accommodations, etc....you don't need to post an address or telephone number, just evidence these facilities actually exist.or do you have something to hide? I agree totally with you David. In my opinion though, it really doesn't matter to me if they do post these "pictures" or not, I'm sure David Koresh & Jim Jones had pictures, and all the other bells and whistles for their ideal communities and look how things turned out for those "members". What you can't see in pictures is intention (or possible future intentions) of those leading. Sadly in my opinion, considering a certain someone is "connected to universal wisdom" hasn't shared with it's members of this site the true process in which we are all a part of (unless of course, he isn't tuned in to it, which is my personal intuition). Even more sad is that there are few on this planet explaining this process, 90% will be blindsided if they don't "awaken" to it. As for your concern with these recent changes, I feel your statement has hit the nail on the head, as my intuition has guided me to understand, regardless of what kind of misdirection tools they utilize. Some may be fooled, but my personal experiences with the structural hierarchy proves to me I am correct. As I've stated previously, it doesn't make any difference in my journey and path, I have places where freedom of speech are truly untouched, therefore what needs to be shared... will be. |
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Steve, i think what Becky is referring to is more like, "It does not matter whether I can figure it out, as you have, but just by my being 'open' to the idea is my part of being convinced IT (5th dimension, whatever) is 'just gonna happen'....."
Wow, if that makes anything more clear. Aileen, I have so been there. Part of me smiles or even laughs and another, feels pain from experiencing similar scenarios re: creating community. It is just not an easy thing to do..... it requires more work than keeping a girlfriend. (and that is too hard for me, anymore) Anyways..... thanks for the memories. ;-)' And my door is usually open as well, at this point, I have no immediate plans to re-locate. Storing lots of canned goods, water, propane heat and wood heater which require no electricity.... as basic survival (more of course). But I am also giving attention, daily, toward having more uplifting, positive, supportive, and all of the above, (plus some) rather than engage in unnecessary 'fear-based' (no matter how true) dramas, stories, news reports, whatever.... Even attended local LDS (mormon) church services for first time ever, last sunday, with a bishop no less. Think I just may be living out of the Old West, and keeping all bases covered, best I know how. Also trusting that "my mission will be revealed in time". What feels real good are those passing moments when it seems as if your mission is being revealed to you ..... right now. Even though vividness may fade, the time it breathed alive, remains.
Edited by Sai Richard Scott, 1 year(s) ago
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Wow, I didn't realize this thread would kick off so much discussion. I was mostly wanting to kick around ideas to make the website better. But some very interesting thoughts in here.
David, you seem to be raising the concern about people who evoke people's fears in order to get into their pocketbook, (just like Madison Avenue has been doing for decades). I'm sure there is a certain amount of that going on, but my sense of most people who are on the forefront of this movement are genuinely trying to get people to prepare. And preparation does take resources, i.e. money. Furthermore, there may be strength in numbers, and that means coordinated efforts and therefore pooled resources. As with any kind of endeavor, I think people should be cautious about who they work with, but I don't see anything necessarily sinister in someone saying "Here's a plan. Let's pool our resources to execute this plan together". Also, as far as people being influenced to believe in one thing or another, there is a whole world of opinions out there, and certainly no shortage of people who pooh pooh the idea of end of civilization. No one is forced to spend their time here. If people are here it's because they've looked around and they've gravitated to this place. I think a personality cult like Koresh and Jones would be pretty tough to pull off on via the web. |
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Richard, I knew exactly what becky saying, i should of been more specific, Becky, i know exactly what you meant. I was referring to what someone else had said, not her.
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No worries here Steve and Sai!
Good to see you Aileen!! I don't think any of us are truly, totally prepared. I mean how can you be 100% ready when you don't know for sure what it is you're preparing for? The best bet for me is to do what we have been doing and that is NOT rely on anyone else for our survival! That does mean anyone!! We are not all the way there, too addicted to things like coffee creamer, pop, etc. But I know I could feed my family along with others if need be. The group as a whole will change drastically when TSHTF!! Even "old" friends will come apart and things will change. For that matter aren't we in for a change? I hope so!!! |
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Or you can live like me, and just fly by the seat of your pants.
You no the best laid plans and all that. But I would take your money if you don't want it. :) Back on the old 2012 we talked about this same thing, as my thought were then and now I'm thinking who the hell would put up there location and tell the world were they are storing there stuff, it just bad planing. There we always be a portion of the population that freak out, we make fun of it in our moves and plays, if this place make any buddy think twice about any action other that starting a garden, than good on them. It ain't over until the fat lady sings, and I ain't singing yet. I would get out of the cities. |
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